Hiking C2C soon?

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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Hikin_Jim » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:35 am

Perry wrote:I agree that we need to start putting dirt in the water that we leave. There's been some concern mentioned in the past about the possibility of somebody getting sick from the dirt. I believe that iodine tablets would solve that potential issue.
Actually, iodine is a very good idea. Tastes nasty, looks nasty, smells nasty, but it would actually keep anything from growing in the water I believe. I'm not a chemist, so I'm not completely familiar with what iodine in water does over time, but it seems like a good idea. We might want to mark it in some fashion so people know that it's potable.

A couple of swig of this stuff, and people will start bringing their own water. :lol:

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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Pitownpi » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:48 am

An iodine allergy can cause anaphylactic shock.

seems to me like you need to stop putting water there period!
put a sign telling them to drink their own urine maybe?

but doctoring up water and leaving it in an emergency station, kinda sound ridiculous to me!

why guarantee water there at all?
take it away!

kinda dangerous for people to plan hikes knowing it there?
then if it isn't, when it's so well advertised on soooooooooo many blogs, even more dangerous?

Cease excessively talking/bloggin/advertising the trail and H20 available at 2 spots.
take H20 away and put signs-about everything! seriously-DUH?

Ever hear the phrase..
"Get There before Starbucks Does"?
now it's
"Get There before someone blogs about it"!
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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Hikin_Jim » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:40 am

Pitownpi wrote:An iodine allergy can cause anaphylactic shock.
Well, that would certainly cut down on the people needing rescues. ;)

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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Ed » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:54 am

From the accounts above, it's not clear to me whether the couple planned on re-stocking at the 2nd rescue box, or tried to because they gave two quarts of water to the person who turned around.

Zip's warning made me think he missed a career in the diplomatic corps. But I reconsidered when I read his drone-hiker conversation.

Closure of the trail might make it more appealing to some. Imagine the account posted on ExtremeSports.com, 'Hiked the outlaw trail on the Fourth of July!!!', subtitled 'We thought we were going to die!!!'.

(I made up the name of the website. Then checked with Google and found one.)
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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby cynthia23 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:38 am

From what Guest says, Ed,it appears that the hiker who went downhill (and was later rescued) was given the bottles of water by a couple who successfully climbed the trail that day (and apparently ran into the group in trouble. It sounds as if the two other members on the in-trouble group were rescued by another SAR group, in a second rescue.)

As many know I've never been a fan of the Rescue Boxes. While they were (very) well-intentioned and I admire the selflessness of the people who restock the boxes, I think the boxes cause more problems than they solve. For one thing, they're usually empty. Perhaps it's because they've been emptied by desperate people, but the likelier scenario seems to be it's the lazy and ill-prepared. The problem is the boxes create a confusing situation where sometimes they've got water and sometimes they don't, and here we see a rescue that was actually caused by the presence of the box (and the fact that it didn't have water in it at the time.) My two cents is remove them. They aren't helping and may be harming.

Also, they add to the 'attractive nuisance' quality of the Skyline trail. An 'attractive nuisance' is a legal term referring to a dangerous element (such as an unfenced swimming pool, or a pet cougar, or a giant cave) which a landowner has left unguarded on his property, luring ignorant children to their doom. Skyline, it seems to me, is such a thing. Strangely, every element that seemingly should make the trail safer--from the Rescue Boxes to a trailhead in an urban area to information on the internet to the Tram itself--has actually increased rescues, by making what would otherwise be a formidable and unappealing hike seem appealingly doable to the halfway fit. It's counter-intuitive, but removing the boxes and putting out LESS info about the trail could decrease rescues.

I doubt that a summer closure would make it more appealing. Fines are a frequently used tool in governance because, let's face it, they usually work. Most people would stay away, and in this instance, "most" would be a big help.

Also, getting back to the original post here--the Desert Sun writer wanting to write about some imaginary people who supposedly view climbing C2c in summer as some kind of 'extreme challenge'--I have never met anyone like that. Almost all of the people I've met or known who did Skyline in summer did it for one dumb reason: that's when their vacation was. Pointing out that it is a dangerous and virtually impossible time of year to do it just elicits denial and excuses --"I know it's hot but that's the only time I have off" "I'll carry lots of water" "I'm used to doing marathons so I'll be fine." Basically, they don't want to or can't reschedule, and don't understand how dangerous it is, and it's as simple and stupid as that.
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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby bluerail » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:40 pm

I put water in the bottles for over 2 years and it slowed things down. It was very aggravating to put fresh bottles in just to find them empty two days later. At least the dirt slowed it down. A couple people thought that was wrong, but I've considered the crappy water I've drank when in trouble and it has saved me.
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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Hikin_Jim » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:08 pm

Tunnel spring on the Desert Divide. Best. Water. Ever. We were so thirsty by the time we got here, that we did not care about the color or taste. We wouldn't see water again until the evening of the following day.
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A little mud in someone's water isn't going to hurt them.

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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Wildhorse » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:23 am

Hiking Jim -

As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words.

Did you drink that unfiltered?
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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby bluerail » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:44 am

Exactly Jim, water when it's critical, is water. Surely try to squeeze some out of the source, but I've drank out of scummy holes a time or two and I'm still here. I've a bad dose of giardia and it's miserable. But _eventually_ you get over it. When someone told me putting dirt in the bottles would possibly keep a person from drinking it and instead risk dying, well, you know right off they've never been in trouble. Like its been mentioned, if these people could not call for a helicopter ride, i think many of these people would self rescue and have a more meaningful experience. although probably sucky and tough at the time.
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Re: Hiking C2C soon?

Postby Hikin_Jim » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:04 pm

Wildhorse wrote:Did you drink that unfiltered?
I used a Steripen which presumably kills any Giardia but does nothing for taste, texture, or smell. It had a "musty" scent, probably from all the organic matter, and was slightly "oily" to the tongue.

I tried to drink some that I had left when we reached a fresh spring the evening of the following day. My nose and stomach rebelled. I rinsed and refilled from the clear, clean spring. Joy unbounded. Only a hiker in the desert knows the joy of clean, cold fresh water! I even gave myself a bandana bath. Such luxury! My trail name on that desert trip was "skonk" which should give you some idea of how often I was bathing. :lol:

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