Snow Creek to DWA Residence

[Florian]

I sincerely hope that the lease renewal process has made it clear to all that the public has a right to access the land in Section 28.

Jim, do you know that all of section 28 is public land? Not sure how you can know without doing a title search on specific properties.

-Florian

[Hikin_Jim]

I sincerely hope that the lease renewal process has made it clear to all that the public has a right to access the land in Section 28.

Jim, do you know that all of section 28 is public land? Not sure how you can know without doing a title search on specific properties.

Actually, that's an excellent point. Some of the houses (at least one) in Snow Creek Village are on Section 28. My understanding is that the house was built thinking that it was north of the line, but when a survey was done, the house was found to be at least partially in Section 28. According to a USFS person I talked to, an adjustment was made to the property boundary. Obviously it worked out for the homeowner; the house is still there.

The Riverside County GIS system shows this "cut" out of the parcel:


The Riverside County GIS system also shows one "inholding" within Section 28. I don't know who the owner is, but if it's open land and not marked with no trespassing type signs 3 to a mile plus additional signs on all trails and roads entering the parcel, then public access is assumed.


HJ

[Florian]

If you want to know who owns a piece of land you really need to have a title search done. It's more involved than just looking at online maps. I hope that doesn't sound too critical, and i admire your obsession with this, but i think it's something to consider.

-Florian

[guest]

Hey Jim, (& Florian), wouldn't that be the Hicks cabin in Sec 28?
Great thread, I know nothing of GPS & datums, but can find my way around to some cool places.

[Hikin_Jim]

If you want to know who owns a piece of land you really need to have a title search done. It's more involved than just looking at online maps. I hope that doesn't sound too critical, and i admire your obsession with this, but i think it's something to consider.

I haven't tried to find out what is going on with that apparent in-holding within Section 28. Thus far, I've been interested in Section 28 generally south of where the PCT leaves Falls Creek Road which is clearly Forest Service land. But you're right a title search is typically indicated, particularly if one wishes to buy a parcel.

HJ

[Hikin_Jim]

Hey Jim, (& Florian), wouldn't that be the Hicks cabin in Sec 28?
Great thread, I know nothing of GPS & datums, but can find my way around to some cool places.

The in-holding within Section 28 is further north than Hicks Cabin. The information I got from the Forest Service indicated that Hicks Cabin was on USFS land under a separate lease.

HJ

[guest]

Jim, I think your right about Hicks cabin on USFS, (maybe grandfathered in).
Of course the big water tank against the west ridge is on section 28, which feeds the village with great water.
There might be one small area that the Native Americans, (maybe Agua Caliente) have, which is a scared spot for them, against the same ridge.

[Hikin_Jim]

There might be one small area that the Native Americans, (maybe Agua Caliente) have, which is a scared spot for them, against the same ridge.

Ah, interesting. That would be consistent with the position of the in-holding. As Florian points out, I don't know who owns that parcel. I'm getting curious now...

HJ

[dstine2]

The (inholding) you refer to came up Forest Service when I checked sometime back before the address's were locked out. A Trip to the Assessors Office in Riverside can get the name and address of all APN's.

[OtherHand]

Using the Riverside County GIS portal that Jim already mentioned, it's possible to determine the Assessor's Parcel Number (APN) for that inholding to be 522-230-008.

The Riverside County Assessor provides some limited online info for parcels if you know the APN or address. Unfortunately it doesn't list the owner's name. For that a visit to the Assessor's office is necessary. It appears this parcel doesn't have an official street address, so its only reference is the APN.

However the GIS system does offer a link to the "Parcel Map" for the parcel in question, and end up displaying a portion of the Assessor's official map for the parcel's area. It wouldn't let me zoom in, but I increased my browser's magnification and did a screen grab of Section 28, with the inholding shown. While the text is a bit blurry, it appears it's labeled "Rainbow Placer Mining Claim" and looks to be about 52 acres. Per the limited Assessor info the last recorded document for the parcel was in April 1979 (Document #0015215).

Doing a bit more digging I skulked over to the BLM website. They have a fairly clunky online viewer that lets you look through their old land records. I did find a reference to something in Section 28 with the entry, "Rainbow Placer: Claim cancelled, case closed" for 4/31/1931, but nothing beyond that. But I might not have been looking in the right spots. And also on the BLM site I stumbled upon the plat maps for the original 2/3/1895 survey, a screen grab is attached. You can see what they were using for monumentation to locate their survey lines. Interesting old map which I'll have to study some more.