Thoughts on Hammock Camping

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Thoughts on Hammock Camping

Postby Hikin_Jim » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:49 pm

In answer to a recent PM that I received:

Do you use a trail hammock? If you get the chance (no rush -- I'm planning months ahead), I'd enjoy reading your comments on their utility.


I have used a trail hammock but with mixed results. The model I have is a Hennessy Hammocks UltraLight Backpacker Asym (asymmetric) model. See http://hennessyhammock.com/catalogue.html. Scroll down until you get to the right one. It comes with a rain fly that does not reach the ground.

PROS:
--The world is your campsite. You're not "tethered" to flat spots. Two trees, and you've got a campsite, level spot or no.
--Fairly light. Mine is 1 lbs 15 oz out of the box.
--You can carry less padding (e.g. Thermarest, Ridgerest, or the like) or none at all, saving add'l weight.
--Really comfortable once you're ensconsed inside them. Nothing pokes you in the back when you roll over.
--Ventilates extremely well, excellent in warmer weather.
--Have seen no wear on floor of hammock -- it never touches the ground.
--Absolutely glorious in a gentle breeze which results in a light swaying.

However, there are some major downsides.

CONS
--They are less than worthless in really windy conditions.
--You will freeze your posterior off in cold weather. They do not retain heat well. All wind blows straight through them.
--It is a royal pain in the posterior to get in and out of your sleeping bag once inside the hammock. Hope you don't wake up needing to pee urgently in the middle of the night.
--You cannot always find trees the appropriate distance apart (12 to 20 feet I believe). You must be familiar with the area you are going to before you go.
--Personally, I find that they take two to three times longer to set up as compared to a tent, although with practice you can improve set up/take down time. It takes a while to get the height and tension adjusted correctly. You can't just "save your settings" from last time. The distance apart and diameter of the trees involved is different each time. The slope of the ground constantly varies.
--The places you want to use them the most (due to heat) may not have trees to support them (Death Valley, Joshua Tree, Baja, Anza-Borrego, etc.).


As to hammocks, if you could include in your comments:
-- Do you use the hammock type with Velcro door?

Yes, and the Velcro door in the floor of the hammock works quite well. Easy in, easy out, keeps out the bugs (there is mesh above the sides of the the hammock which also keeps out the bugs).

-- Practical for more than 1 season? I hear they can be chilly.

Chilly? How about frickin' ice cold? Only good in fair weather in 60's or above. I've been fine in 50' weather, but you're pushing it if a wind comes up and you're using a down bag.

-- Comfortable?

Very much so. Delightful in fact.

-- Do you find campgrounds with trees OK?

Generally, but sometimes it's a stretch. Do your research beforehand.

-- Have you run into areas with tree rules that prohibit tying anything to trees?

I never have.

Let me close by saying that hammocks are great in warm, fair weather conditions when you're not in a hurry to set up and take down.

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Postby Rob » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:53 pm

HJ, great write-up! Thank you. :D

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Hammock

Postby dhstein313 » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:11 pm

I tried a Hennesy Hammock about three years ago because of most of the PRO's that HJ mentioned BUT it did not work for me.

I am a light sleeper and sleep on my front or side. Thought I could beat that in the comfort of a hammock but after about a week of somewhat sleepless nights I just climbed out and fell asleep instantly. Now my hammock is only used for VERY LAZY day hikes or car camping.

NOT FOR EVERYONE!

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Re: Hammock

Postby Hikin_Jim » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:43 am

dhstein313 wrote:NOT FOR EVERYONE!


That about sums it up. :D
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Postby MikeJ » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:17 pm

On their website they claim a set up time of 2 minutes for that hammock. That sounds optimistic based on your experience.
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Tying to trees in parks

Postby asabat » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:13 pm

Jim, you had any trouble with rangers? The state parks (and San Diego County parks) do not allow tying anything to trees. I've seen rangers make hammock users camp in the ground.
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Postby Hikin_Jim » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:21 pm

MikeJ wrote:On their website they claim a set up time of 2 minutes for that hammock. That sounds optimistic based on your experience.


That's a laugh in my opinon. :lol: If you had ideal conditions (two trees of exactly the right diameter at a perfect distance from one another over completely flat, non-sloping ground with no brush or obtrusive branches with warm weather and no breeze), and you drilled and drilled and drilled yourself, and you weren't too particular about having a taut support rope, then maybe, just maybe, five minutes would be sufficient.

In real conditions in the field, it simply is not realistic to expect anything under 15 minutes. If there's a lot of brush and you're on ground that slopes off or if wind or rain is in the offing (you'll want to batten down the rain fly more securely) it will take more time to set up. I usually allow half an hour for basic set up, more if I need to batten down the fly due to the weather, and more still if I have to deal with brush and branches.
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Re: Tying to trees in parks

Postby Hikin_Jim » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:35 pm

asabat wrote:Jim, you had any trouble with rangers? The state parks (and San Diego County parks) do not allow tying anything to trees. I've seen rangers make hammock users camp in the ground.


I've only used the hammock in the San Gabriel and San Bernardino mountains. I've never had a problem.

That being said, making someone take down a hammock is an absurd and rigidly applied rule (unless you're tying it to small trees that will be damaged by the weight). The hammock comes with nylon anchor straps that distribute the weight and prevent injury to the bark. There are no ropes or lines touching the tree itself, only the anchor straps which don't abraid or strip off bark. I've used the hammock on oaks, pines, and firs without any damage to the trees. Hammocks actually are lower impact than tents; there is no plant trampling, soil compaction, or the need to flatten and smooth out a tent site.

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Postby asabat » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:09 pm

I've talked with Tom Hennessey several times about this, as well as how to pitch one in chapparrel. I agree, I don't see how they can hurt trees. Still, I was there when a county ranger made Tom take one down. Then again, a state park ranger once made me take down an American flag I had flying from a tree branch, on the 4th of July IIRC. I guess rules is rules.
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Postby Hikin_Jim » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:05 pm

So, did you figure out a way to set up a hammock in chapparal?

asabat wrote:I guess rules is rules.


There was a day in this country -- particularly in the parks and forests -- when this thing called ... wait, wait, don't tell me... oh, yeah, intelligence, and with this intelligence thing (yeah, I know, I'm really dating myself here), the rangers would think (look it up, you youngsters out there; it's a word no longer in use) and use good judgement (sorry,kids, that one's definitely not in the dictionary any more in this country). Yes, it's true, they actually used their brains and good judgement when dealing with the public. If it really wasn't hurting anything or bothering anyone, they'd just move on.

OK, OK, sorry for the rant. Most of that comes from working with a bureaucratic, unthinking company like mine. There are actually some pretty cool rangers still out there.
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