Restricted Vivian Creek TH Access

[lilbitmo]

Howdy All

I'd like to have 200 signatures before starting the writing compaign.

Miles of smiles and thanks,
Ellen

What is the number of signatures you have thus far?

Thanks

Patrick/lilbitmo

[Ellen]

Howdy All

I want to find the best solution for the Forest Falls residents, Forest Service and hikers.

I've seen the picnic area trashed and have had to made a hasty exit out of the trailhead parking area due to fights breaking out in the picnic area.

It's sad that a small number of responsible hikers are losing access to a trail head due to a large number hoodlums in the picnic area.

Possible solutions:
1) 24 hour watchman
2) Key in code for gate
3) Cameras

Miles of smiles,
Ellen

[Ellen]

What is the number of signatures you have thus far?

Thanks Patrick/lilbitmo

154

[hvydrt]

Possible solutions:
1) 24 hour watchman
2) Key in code for gate
3) Cameras

I don't understand why any off these need to be done. How does the Angeles National Forest manage Manker Flats, Ice House Canyon, Heaton Flat, etc without locking the place up, having 24 hours care takers and cameras? Those places all seem far busier than the Falls picnic area and they manage. Think of the Inyo NF trailheads, many of those are very crowded (think Rock Creek/ Mosquito Flats, Cottonwood, South Lake, etc) Those places are packed in the summer and the simple bathroom at the trailhead is usually in good condition and the area is clean. Why does the Falls picnic area need a kiosk (aka guard shack) and a 24-7 care taker? What makes it different than everywhere else?

[Screerider]

164
I do agree that we need to get their attention. The details can be worked out later.

[Sally]

Ha ha, I'm glad that I'm not the only person talking to myself tonight!

[Hikin_Jim]

Why does the Falls picnic area need a kiosk (aka guard shack) and a 24-7 care taker? What makes it different than everywhere else?

It's the people themselves. For whatever reason, the Vivian Creek trailhead has attracted a certain type of individual.

HJ

[Hikin_Jim]

Ha ha, I'm glad that I'm not the only person talking to myself tonight!

Eh?

HJ

[hvydrt]

Why does the Falls picnic area need a kiosk (aka guard shack) and a 24-7 care taker? What makes it different than everywhere else?

It's the people themselves. For whatever reason, the Vivian Creek trailhead has attracted a certain type of individual.
HJ

I would say Heaton Flat and Manker Flat have the same type of crowd, maybe even worse since its closer and easier to access.

[Screerider]

Just look towards San Bernardino. Some people don't feel at home if they're not surrounded by trash. It's normal.
Camp fire meetings went a long ways towards educating the young. Parents taught kids to pick up all the trash, not just theirs. You'd have to scramble to find a piece before your siblings grabbed it. It was scarce. Tiny pieces of paper, bottle caps.
Now I see feces everywhere, diapers, everything but beer cans. The homeless pick up the cans.
When I was up at the Kern, I really thought why bother. It was like camping in a dumpster. It wasn't until I saw another camper pick up a bag full of garbage that I remembered the teachings of my father and picked up a bag of my own. No diapers though, I'm sorry.