C2C/SKYLINE: CLOSED FOR THE SUMMER. COME BACK IN OCTOBER.

[halhiker]

I don't believe that a hiking guide posted by a private individual bears the same legal burden that say a Park Service guide might. I think we're sweating things a bit much here.

HJ

Of course, a Park Service guide would be limited from liability since it'll illegal in CA to sue a government agency for damages while engaging in hazardous recreational activities. It's that limit to their liability that allows us the freedom to actually do what we do.

[bluerail]

wait a minute, so if i end up getting hurt out there, youre telling me I can't sue the government ?!

[Ellen]

wait a minute, so if i end up getting hurt out there, youre telling me I can't sue the government ?!

Thanks Speedy Blue.

Miles of smiles,
Ellen

[zippetydude]

youre telling me I can't sue the government ?!

And that's what's wrong with this country!

z

[Hikin_Jim]

I don't believe that a hiking guide posted by a private individual bears the same legal burden that say a Park Service guide might. I think we're sweating things a bit much here.

HJ

Of course, a Park Service guide would be limited from liability since it'll illegal in CA to sue a government agency for damages while engaging in hazardous recreational activities. It's that limit to their liability that allows us the freedom to actually do what we do.

All right, maybe that was a bad example, but the point is it's not like Perry is anything other than a private individual with an opinion.

HJ

[cynthia23]

Me too. And yet through the awesome power of this board, I was able to single-handedly 'close' Skyline for the summer

Seriously, I have to agree with Ed here. Luckily Grandmaster P is what those in the lawyer trade call "judgement proof". His monastic existence protects him against the depredations of personal injury lawyers. But watch out if you win the lottery!

Hal, thanks for posting that link! Sid, where are ya? Miss ya!

[bobodobo]

Well Zé most hikers I've observed hike more slowly on a steep uphill grade than a shallow one. But maybe the beauty and exhilaration of the C2C trail makes it different, maybe people can't control themselves and get into trouble by not maintaining an appropriate pace.

And yes the 1' per mile trail does keep your rate of energy expenditure from being too high (unless you foolishly try to run the whole way), but for the same elevation gain it also leads to more total effort than a steeper trail.

[Zé]

Well Zé most hikers I've observed hike more slowly on a steep uphill grade than a shallow one.

Your "observations" are not scientific in nature. And sure people "slow down" but that doesn't mean they slow down in proportion to the change in steepness to maintain equal exertion.

,but for the same elevation gain it also leads to more total effort than a steeper trail.

Irrelevant. Stop harping on this, I am not arguing against PCT taking more total energy. It's a red herring to the argument that you keep going to. Jogging 8 miles is going to be less risky than running 6 miles at race pace. Done


Again, you've come in here to announce that you've successively hiked up the PCT to peak, and therefore Skyline would be okay too. Why stop there? Go do the actual Snow Creek, that should be just as easy right?

Along the way you've made several bad assumptions, including the fact that the rate of energy expenditure is different. Those assumptions have been exposed.

[bluerail]

Someone should put up a link to the socal SC tr for him.....after all, it is the same hill.

[Hikin_Jim]

Someone should put up a link to the socal SC tr for him.....after all, it is the same hill.

Yeah, but if you take it slow, it's as easy as the PCT.

HJ