Snow Creek

[bluerail]

It's harder than a c2c2c ..conditions are important...don't even go unless you are very good with snow/ice travel, solid 5 abilities, can do a c2c with comfort and want much more , are really good with route finding...etc etc. It's not a hike. It's a very hard 7 hr. offtrail route to get to the base of the climb....and then you really have to work for the next 7 or 8 hours....

Steve

Which ridges have you done up san jacinto BTW?

[fern]

Current conditions are brutal........it would be easier and faster to do skyline 3 times than do SC once!

[bluerail]

Even in perfect conditions, its way more than a c2c.

Skyline burns roughly 3000 calories

Snowcreek? ..10,000 calories


When conditions are good. And like Fern said, they're horrible.

We know, because we're idiots

[Zé]

you know, i wonder how many calories it did burn. I guess I gotta do it again, and wear my heartrate monitor!

[Zé]

For those who have done Snow Creek, is it really as difficult as doing C2C2C? Climbing in the low Class 5 or Class 4? I think I remember Ellen saying C2C is harder, but the opinions seem to differ. Any info for a newbie would be appreciated. Thanks.

naw, I think its mostly class 3 (maybe a few 4 moves). its just that you are literally scrambling up rock for 6000 ft. oh, after 5000 ft through brush and really steep dirt. much harder work than the skyline 'trail'

[bluerail]

Ze, where you and I stepped over the ice bridge, that's not there now...its a 50 foot wall you have to negotiate.....its very very different from when you were in it..it is 4000 of mixed climbing right now, you're in crampons and climbing granite and ice and snow. When you were there it was nice

[Zé]

Ze, where you and I stepped over the ice bridge, that's not there now...its a 50 foot wall you have to negotiate.....its very very different from when you were in it..it is 4000 of mixed climbing right now, you're in crampons and climbing granite and ice and snow. When you were there it was nice

sounds fun!

just some opinions atari: snow creek, in its best conditions, is not something you should do alone, nor should you try it the first time without someone who's done it before. certainly you have to great fitness (should be able to go up skyline in 4 hrs). But best conditions are when there is consolidated snow, which is not now, and who knows if it will snow enough to happen this year. mixing of snow and rock is terrible and dangerous and should never be considered. once it's all rock, then it's more work than snow and harder routefinding. plus there may be a few difficult spots to get around, depending on how much snow is left.

overall, you need to make sure you are in great shape, find someone who has done the route who will go again, then wait for the proper conditions to occur to go. which who knows is when.

[Ed]

Amen to the warnings. Even under good conditions, it is a climb, not a hike, and is for two or more people who are experienced and well-matched climbing partners.

[TacoDelRio]

Ditto on what they said.

It ain't 'in' right now, basically. Maybe if winter kicks in, but who knows.

[tinaballina]

At the rate we are going this year it won't be in til 2013. Unless, you are into brutal beatings....did i say that?