interesting....

[bluerail]

Congratulations Brett, thats really moving. how much do you need to drink if youre only there for a couple hours?

...and even finishing the Barkley..very nice.

[bdog]

Good point--I doubt a person could get dangerously dehydrated in 2.5 hours when the average temperature is in the 40s. You just can't sweat enough. I thought the main benefit of the water was actually to help with swallowing and digesting of the gel, and secondly to be enough for me to descend back to Palm Springs in case I had to bail near the top.

[HH8]

Holy ....
That is incredible!

I second that. At my rate a snowy Skyline would take about two and a half DAYS, not hours

[Perry]

Hey Brett, which sign did you mean by "Long Valley sign"?

[bluerail]

your not the only one wondering what happened between the tables and the LV rock.

maybe a break for a minute.

[bdog]

By "Long valley sign" I mean the painted rocks with the mileage and time estimates.

[bluerail]

thats the problem, it takes most people 3 minutes to get from the tables to that rock.

[bdog]

3 min?!? are there two sets of tables up there? on the north end of the tables area i remember seeing a wooden post structure that i guess is for tying horses to (though i've never seen horses on that trail). is that part of the 'picnic tables'?

also, at one point (i believe just before the two painted rocks, but my memory is hazy on this) i came across a giant waist-high cairn. i assume that is the junction with the trail from the other start location? i've always started from the museum...

it's possible my memory is corrupted for the first three times--those were the most difficult for me to remember. if there is an error then most likely one of those times is off by 2 min due to how i was trying to remember them. but it doesn't sound like that can even come remotely close to explaining the discrepancy.

[bdog]

After reviewing google maps I think the landmark for the second time is wrong. My guess is that it should be the point at which one regains the ridge and can see the houses to the north (I remember noting the time at this point). This appears to be at ~1850 ft elevation which is consistent with the time from the picnic tables.

[Zé]

excellent work bdog!