Desert Water Agency illegally hassling hikers at Snow Creek

[Rumpled]

I'm didn't say it was easy but it beats getting fined for not having a permit.

Depends upon the fine, maybe?

If it was only $50 and they march you back to the tram the same way one was going to go anyways it might not be a big deal.

Driving out from OC a day before to either Idylwild or PS and taking the tram up to get a permit and finding a place to crash overnight would be pretty pricey were I do attempt such an epic.

[Zé]

print out 2 copies, one for yourself and one for them. mail it to them 3 days beforehand

[skunkboy]

Here's some further info

San Jacinto State Park

Wilderness Permit Information
951-659-2607

Address
PO Box 308
25905 Highway 243
Idyllwild, CA 92549

http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=636

[Ellen]

Howdy Hal

Or maybe we can just send Ellen up there in shorts.

Ah, at least I provide some comic relief for the board

Miles of smiles,
Ellen

[cjd]

I just called the State Park to confirm their rules.
They do not allow a mail in method for dayhiking permits.
(Overnight permits if requested by mail must be done 10 days ahead).

I also called the Forest Service. They DO allow a mail method, but you still need to mail it in far enough in advance for them to mail you back an approval. You need to write on the permit that it's for a day-hike, since this mail in method is normally used for overnight.
http://www.fsva.org/pdf/Wilderness%20Pe ... 20MSJW.pdf

[Rumpled]

cjd - thanks for doing some of the legwork.

I have a few ?'s for everybody.
1 - Does/will the state issue day use permits in advance?
2 - Don't they recognize that going to Idylwild or Long Valley is very inconvenient for some of the TH's?
3 - Are both a USFS and state wilderness permit required for Snow Creek? Or does one cover both areas as happens in other areas?

[cjd]

1. I don't think so.
2. They did say you don't need a permit for Skyline Trail below Long Valley ranger station.
3. Each permit covers both areas.
For camping you need the appropriate one for where you camp, unless you have a PCT thru permit.

[bluerail]

brittlebushwackin in the dark of the night.....not takin any loppers, thats for sure.

[andyhollinger]

[quote="climberslacker"]Wow,

AS long as you werent violating any laws you should report them. You were on public land, and never entered their private property. Report them to someone?

-CS[/quote][quote][/quote]
My recommendation is if a person who does not identify himself and flashes a photo of me in the dark and makes threatening or harassing statements will suffer great physical damage and his camera would have been confiscated. If it was Dave Luker from DWA than he should be reported the the elected board of directors on his illegal behavior. Climbers are not the problem.

[Cy Kaicener]

Welcome to the forum Andy
Here is an article on Snow Creek that is superbly written
http://www.palmspringslife.com/Palm-Spr ... amp-Beyond