Ellen's caffeine article

[AlanK]

Soon, FIGHT ON will have cleared the outdoors of the scourge of caffeine. He'll need a new crusade. What else can he clean up? Here are some closer-to-home possibilities from an obviously unbiased source.

[FIGHT ON]

I know who the cairn kicker is....I just brought it up cause when I'm out there vibrating from stimulants, it's one thing I enjoy doing.

....I'm just shootin for a little comic relieve here buddy.

I know, I just wanted make sure you didn't think I was the cairn kicker.
So you carry a self inking, blue, light weight, environmentally safe, printing device that when viewed reads "liareulb", but employed on a flat paper surface leaves the mark "bluerail", for registers too? I knew it! High five dewd!
oh my, need I say I wasn't calling you a liar?

[FIGHT ON]

In case it's not been pointed out - Fight On

All food, water, things consumed by the human body are "Drugs" - all of them

I looked up "drugs' in the dictionary.

I found this...

"any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of humans or other animals."

Why are you always taking the side that people are doing something bad or cheating the "True nature of hiking" or "Sporting" activities, just because you "Choose not to enjoy them". If you want people to know you are a "Purest", just say so? For that matter don't eat any food, don't wear any clothing, don't put on a backpack, don't use hiking poles, don't use boots, don't go off the trail, don't ever wonder into private property, don't do anything but go on the "Blog Site" and badger what others are doing?

Always?

Growing up there was this saying that most people respected - "If you don't have something nice to say about someone, don't say it"! If you don't agree with something that's fine, just state the reason why that doesn't work for you, not why others are "Wrong for Doing it"

Don't know exactly what you mean but it does sound hypocritical.

Most of the people here are looking for "Help" with getting to the great outdoors, doing it safely, reporting what great experiences they have had on a particular hike, who they ran into, what things to look out for, what conditions that have changed, where they can get permits, park, enter the wilderness, etc... etc... ect... if they wanted to debate every last thing they do before, during and after their hikes they would make a "Blog site for HIKING POLITICIANS"

Please by all means "Start your own website" - call it - "Hiking Purest, that only do what I think is right, of Los Angeles" I'm sure it will get an extensive amount of participation, and not much hiking will be done.

Sorry in advance for bagging, but it get's old reading the same banter on every post.

I understand, But If you don't like my views I can't help that. and again, every post?

[FIGHT ON]

Thanks for the good article Ellen.

Fighton: You have already expressed your opinion that you do not think it is good to ingest caffeine when hiking; so now it's time to move on to another subject. We don't need to have you continue to reinforce how "good and perfect" you are because you don't ingest caffeine. Maybe you need this type of reinforcement, but I don't think other people that frequent this message board do.

GU is a brand name - some varieties have caffeine and others do not.

KathyW: Maybe you overlooked some of the content of Z's post or for that matter all together.
I'm sure some of his comments were directed toward mine and invited a response.

Because you don't like or disagree with someones views on administrating stimulants/drugs should not be used as tool to limit responses.

That would be unfair.

And if you feel less than "good and perfect" because you take stimulants or of my views, I feel sorry for you.

Fighton:I don't care if people eat caffeine or do not, and you have no idea if I ingest caffeine. I find some of the research on caffeine interesting, so I appreciate Ellen sharing it with us. Generally, I do not mind people having an opinion that differs than mine (and you have no idea if my opinion on caffeine differs from yours), but I abhor self-righteous people that try to cram their opinion down other people’s throats. I also realize I should not lower myself to your level by responding to you, but I am anyway. Hopefully, in the future I will be able to just ignore you.

surprising that a moderator would say such ugly things. pretty sad.

[FIGHT ON]

Soon, FIGHT ON will have cleared the outdoors of the scourge of caffeine. He'll need a new crusade. What else can he clean up? Here are some closer-to-home possibilities from an obviously unbiased source.

I don't see any, not even one single allegation of caffeine usage!

[AlanK]

USC Football Loves Coffee!

[FIGHT ON]

USC Football Loves Coffee!

could be for decaff!

[AlanK]

USC Football Loves Coffee!

could be for decaff!

C'mon. Everyone knows that Decaf Coffee Isn't Caffeine-Free.

[FIGHT ON]

USC Football Loves Coffee!

could be for decaff!

C'mon. Everyone knows that Decaf Coffee Isn't Caffeine-Free.

So funny! more than 10%! Oh Well, All the more reason not to have anything to do with coffee.
Don't worry Allank, If I run into any USC Trojans on caffeine, I will be sure they know what I think. They are no different than any body else!

(Except when they play football!)

[zippetydude]

Another question for Ellen (or anybody who happens to know the answer):

Since caffeine has been shown to change performance levels, what was the reasoning behind allowing professionals to use it?

I mean, I think a lot of the preceding conversation is rather comical since nobody on earth cares if one of us is faster on a given ascent of Skyline after using caffeine...

...but if an athlete in, say, the Tour de France, were to win by the slimmest of margins and all other drug usage could be ruled out (har! har!) then caffeine could conceivably be implicated as an undeniable advantage if the winner used it. Hmmm.

Another question: In marathons, ultras, or maybe even in a shorter race like a half-marathon, I've often wondered if caffeine intake for the second half would be more effective than caffeine taken throughout the duration of the race.

For me, the second half is where the perceived exertion moves into the "horrible pain" range. I've generally avoided caffeine at the beginning of races because I'm already jittery with excitement, but something halfway through might be worth considering. Any thoughts?

z