MIght be a question for Florian or other "old timer"....my parents used to send me out on desert and local mountain hiking w/ a guy named Lou Keener....usually 5 or 6 kids and his big green travelall 4x4.
would have been in early 1960s...and we did all the far off and obscure desert adventures. I can still recall cold and foggy campouts up high on Santa Rosa...
