How did terrain trap hikers?

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Postby skunkboy » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:42 pm

phydeux said:

My concept is to not worry about getting lost, but to 'keep myself found'.

I just use a simple map & compass; $20 for a compass, $10 for a topo map of San J (they're still available by mail order from the USGS). This method requires that you keep track of where you are from the first step on the trail ('keeping yourself found') rather than depending on a belt full of e-devices when you get lost.

Yes, I have a cellphone (prepaid plan), but I never expect it to work in the backcountry.
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scotts said:

People with a modicum of competence and good judgement have been traversing the SJ's without gps for millenia.

With competence and judgement the wilderness has been human friendly since, well, before we were humans. Without these qualities, whether you have a gps or not is probably the least of your worries.

Insisting on a brittle technological fix for all cases (including those where nothing is broken) seems like a mandate for undercutting the very competencies and judgement skills we ought to be valuing above all else.

It's hard to imagine wanting a gps to get to the grocery store.

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I have to agree with these guys. Hell, you can downlowd the maps off the internet for free... and with a good compass, you're good to go. You never have to worry about your electronics getting wet and stop working, your battery dieing, or (God forbid) the sattellites crashing and burning.
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Postby scotts » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:40 pm

HJ, it's too bad we all can't have as nice a set of hikin' togs as your daughter.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to disparage gps (or users) in my comment. I can think of situations where I'd want one, as well as a plb.

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Re: Kids

Postby Perry » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:38 pm

Carl F wrote:@ Perry Congratulations!! Way cool and wish you all the best! Photos to follow??

Yes! But there may be a tiredness delay factor. I'm already worn out just from getting ready.

We got a rugged stroller with decent wheels, so when she's old enough to go outside I would like to take her on some gentle paths.
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Re: Kids

Postby Hikin_Jim » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:53 am

Perry wrote:We got a rugged stroller with decent wheels, so when she's old enough to go outside I would like to take her on some gentle paths.
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Postby guest » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:19 pm

Make sure that stroller has a PLB on it Perry!!

BTW, years ago, I was almost passed on the upper parts of the Tram Road Challenge by a guy pushing a baby jogger, (granted, he's a very fit, lean guy), but I dug deep to save my pride, so I'm waiting for the day when your doing the same!
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Postby Perry » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:33 am

Too funny! We got a good laugh out of that one. A PLB would cost more than the stroller/carseat combo, but they could find us if I got lost on a bike path. :D
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Postby guest » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:13 am

On no, now this thread is never going to die, I can already see the entry's:

Distraught parents with newborn clinging to life over 43 ysds off local bike path!
Having to share their babies sippy-cup, they just wondered how much longer they could all hang on until rescuer's arrived!
After much debate, they made the heart wrenching decision to push the dreaded HELP button on their strollers Personal Locator Beacon.
If not for this, none of us wants to think what might have happened, as distant sounds of wild animals were heard in the brush, suspicious cars with blacked-out headlights were driving by, and even ravens were circling!

Details at 11:00

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Postby Hikin_Jim » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:59 am

But does the stroller's GPS plot out bike paths and walking tracks? And can it's GPS forsee that which is the most dreaded of parents pushing a stroller: stairs! :shock: Oh! The horror!

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Postby zippetydude » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:50 pm

Well, since this thread is now about strollers...

Perry, be sure you get an "umbrella stroller". They're about $10 and they look cheap and silly. But, they're always in the car when you need 'em, they're light, and you can take a 2 year old several miles in the wilderness in one. I took one of my daughters up and back Thumb Butte in Prescott in one, and it was hilarious. All the other hikers would laugh and comment, and my daughter loved the ride. No way we would have done that trail with her on my shoulders. After that we did lots of other adventures spontaneously on trails using the handy umbrella strollers. Not as smooth or efficient as a jogger stroller, but great in a pinch and always there when you need 'em.

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Postby HH8 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:37 am

zippetydude wrote:"umbrella stroller"


So, let me check I got this right...

A kid hiking is less likely to sunburn than one sitting, so the stroller needs a parasol attachment?
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