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[Vnthali]

How does one get a legitimate permit that allows a climb up the Snow Creek route? Sounds like the Rangers are more interested in enforcing the letter of the law and not taking into account the spirit of the law as it reates to the climbers who have made the Snow Creek climb recently. I agree that the route should be restricted to those who have the experience, conditioning, and equipment needed to be successful and not hazard themselves or others (i.e. rescue personnel & climbing partners). Snow Creek has been a recognized route to the summitof San Jacinto for decades. This should be addressed so that others who aspire to make this climb someday get the chance.

[DaddyLongLegs]

Vnthali: The Desert Water Agency representative I spoke with flatly said that they would not grant passage through their one square mile of property at the bottom of the route (though they used to grant passage). So apparently the only way to do it legally is to get a San Jacinto Wilderness permit and skirt around the DWA property.

[KathyW]

Sam: It's nice to hear you were able to stay on public land the entire route and get a wilderness permit in advance. So, the rangers issued a permit with the location of entry being Snow Creek? If that's so, then it sounds like there's a way of doing the route.

Kathy

[zippetydude]

sure they have internet access just like the rest up us and can read the Snow Creek trip reports and posts regarding upcoming climbs.

Of course. Which begs the question, why didn't they speak to the individuals beforehand? PM's aren't hard... Most every ranger I have ever run into has been a really decent person, I think they go into that line of work because they love the outdoors, just like us...

So, what's going on? Sounds odd and out of character. Maybe they're just going to talk to each one as they arrive at the top. We'll hear more in the next couple of days. For now, I hope the climbers had fun without any undue trouble.

z

[KathyW]

sure they have internet access just like the rest up us and can read the Snow Creek trip reports and posts regarding upcoming climbs.

Of course. Which begs the question, why didn't they speak to the individuals beforehand? PM's aren't hard... Most every ranger I have ever run into has been a really decent person, I think they go into that line of work because they love the outdoors, just like us...

So, what's going on? Sounds odd and out of character. Maybe they're just going to talk to each one as they arrive at the top. We'll hear more in the next couple of days. For now, I hope the climbers had fun without any undue trouble.

z

The ranger I spoke with seemed pretty upset about the climbers coming up the route. His supervisor was with him sitting and waiting for climbers to come up. I also thought it was unusual that they were going to this extreme. I have a feeling there must be some pressure being applied by other agencies to stop the flow of traffic up the route or at least over the DWA's land.

[AlanK]

The ranger I spoke with seemed pretty upset about the climbers coming up the route. His supervisor was with him sitting and waiting for climbers to come up. I also thought it was unusual that they were going to this extreme. I have a feeling there must be some pressure being applied by other agencies to stop the flow of traffic up the route or at least over the DWA's land.

Maybe our old friend FIGHT ON made a few calls. He used to get really worked up about people doing Snow Creek.

[Tim Le]

The ranger I spoke with seemed pretty upset about the climbers coming up the route. His supervisor was with him sitting and waiting for climbers to come up. I also thought it was unusual that they were going to this extreme. I have a feeling there must be some pressure being applied by other agencies to stop the flow of traffic up the route or at least over the DWA's land.

Maybe our old friend FIGHT ON made a few calls. He used to get really worked up about people doing Snow Creek.

Although FO deserves blame for global warming from all his hot air, it probably isn't fair to blame him (or anyone in particular) if we don't have any proof. Like Kathy said, the rangers and agencies have access to the internet too and there has been a lot of publicity on this route...lots of TRs, lots of multiple trips, even postings on Meetup (crazy!). It was inevitable that they were going to drop the hammer on this.

How does one get a legitimate permit that allows a climb up the Snow Creek route? Sounds like the Rangers are more interested in enforcing the letter of the law and not taking into account the spirit of the law as it reates to the climbers who have made the Snow Creek climb recently.

If I recall, the reason for the ban on the Snow Creek route is to protect the watershed from contamination by humans. So they're not going to be happy if more people climb the route, even if climbers avoid the water agency's land.

[Vnthali]

Based on what I've read so far, the short answer to my question seems to be that anyone who wants to get a permit to climb the Snow Creek Route to the summit of SJ needs to be less than honest about their intentions.

[climberslacker]

so... If you were to skirt around the property, and able to secure a permit, would the route be legal then? How could they bust you for having a permit and going on public land? Or, will they just not issue a permit for snow creek?

-CS

[tinaballina]

You really don't want me to get started on this.......lets just say i have a bitter taste in my mouth.
I have an idea, lets shut the whole mountain down and just sit from afar to look at it.
PERIOD