Here We Go Again! Skyline rescue 4/20/13

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Postby scotts » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Thanks cynthia. I agree with you too. :) Closing the trail seems like an extreme measure when simpler (informational) remedies, which also respect freedom and access, aren't really being enforced.

Most people know not to swim out at pipeline and try to drop in on a wave. It's a rational response to immediate danger. If the danger of skyline was as obvious, it would save suffering.

Since the dangers aren't obvious here, it comes down to communication. Shouldn't be a problem, as we humans do have the power of speech, can draw things, and even write when required to effect our fellow beings.
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Postby bluerail » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:04 pm

if i get out of my car in the museum parking lot and it's 90 degrees and late morning, the danger im looking at is all too obvious.


you dont need to draw a picture of a dead guy for me.


guess im just a real sharp monkey.
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Postby Hikin_Jim » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:33 pm

Happens all over although I agree Skyline is very serious.

I was out with my wife and daughter on Sunday and there were rescue vehicles, fire trucks, USFS, and Sheriff's dept vehicles all over the place. A girl apparently did some cliff diving at a waterfall. Apparently the landing phase of the dive didn't go so well.

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Postby cynthia23 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:02 pm

Quite a photo HJ!

I'm not sure the dangers are always obvious to non-locals. One time in July (July 4th in fact) I came down from a quick, late jaunt up the Desert Museum--it was about 11 and (obviously) very hot. I ran into three young guys in the parking lot who were putting on packs, etc. Tthey said they were going to do Skyline. Of course, I told them that wasn't a good idea because of the heat. They said, "But it will get cooler as soon as we go up for an hour or so!" They had no idea that the heat would be basically just as high, or higher, almost all day. They were from the east coast--Boston-- and applied the weather/geographical models they were familiar with. They set off, and I never heard they were rescued, so I imagine they just gave up after an hour or so (when it didn't get any cooler :))

I think posting a warning sign would certainly be helpful, but actually, seriously, I think posting a 'closed--deadly heat conditions" sign during the summer would be even more effective, not because anyone could actually 'close' the mountain, but in the sense that people might finally grasp that they were undertaking something totally outside the realm of the sane. At the very least, any warning sign should state in the strongest terms that summer hikes are strongly recommended against. It's not enough, I think, to state the dangers and let people draw their own conclusions--the people who get in trouble are usually the ones who aren't so good at thinking things through :( (And full disclosure--there's been more than a few times when that described me.)
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Postby Hikin_Jim » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:48 pm

cynthia23 wrote:Quite a photo HJ!
Hi, Cynthia, thanks.

I just was in the right spot at the right time and snapped it. I put it on the Sierra Madre SAR facebook page. I hope they can use it. (I also took a bunch of other ones, but that's the only one that was really any good).

cynthia23 wrote:I'm not sure the dangers are always obvious to non-locals. One time in July (July 4th in fact) I came down from a quick, late jaunt up the Desert Museum--it was about 11 and (obviously) very hot. I ran into three young guys in the parking lot who were putting on packs, etc. Tthey said they were going to do Skyline. Of course, I told them that wasn't a good idea because of the heat. They said, "But it will get cooler as soon as we go up for an hour or so!" They had no idea that the heat would be basically just as high, or higher, almost all day.
I was struck by the intensity of the sun when I did Skyline -- and that was in December.
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I've been hiking for a long time and have a healthy respect for the heat. Maybe a lot of people just don't have that. Heat has kicked my behind before. I am a chastened man!

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Postby Screerider » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:44 am

http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/48298#comments

I don't understand it but our biggest foe seems to be the off road crowd. Jealousy I guess.
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Postby scotts » Sat May 04, 2013 10:05 am

Hikin_Jim wrote:

I've been hiking for a long time and have a healthy respect for the heat. Maybe a lot of people just don't have that. Heat has kicked my behind before. I am a chastened man!

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I came close to heat exhaustion on a trail much easier than skyline. Lack of smarts will certainly do it. This was back when the theory of keeping hydrated was just supplanting the theory that training without water made you tough.

Which was not so very long ago.
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